Grey Cup ratings see double-digit jump in 2017

Not only did the snow look cool on TV, it also delivered high ratings for TSN and the CFL.

The Grey Cup game between the Toronto Argonauts and the Calgary Stampeders, which was played in snowy weather conditions, had an average audience of 4.1 million – up almost 14 per cent over the 2016 contest between Calgary and Ottawa – and similar to the numbers the league saw in 2015.

Last year’s 3.6 million was the lowest since 2006.

The number still falls short 5.5 million that watched Toronto’s last championship win in 2012, which was also the 100th anniversary of the league.

TSN also did well with its pre and post game shows both of which averaged just under two million viewers.

That gave the network the three top-rated TV shows in the country on Sunday. And not just sports: the CFL beat everything from NCIS: Los Angeles to CTV News to the Walking Dead.

The numbers duo not include RDS or digital streams from or other sources.

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132 Comments on Grey Cup ratings see double-digit jump in 2017

  1. Blue Rules // November 27, 2017 at 5:08 pm //

    4 million happy customers

    • True Numbers // November 27, 2017 at 11:39 pm //

      Factor in the amount of bars/restaurants across the country that were trying to push the game on people and you have about 1 million happy customers who actually tuned in.

      • BigRedMachine // November 28, 2017 at 4:44 pm //

        Yes. Like that doesn’t happen like every Sunday during NFL season….

        • Ya the numbers do not add up True Numbers. I agree to an extent that the numbers are published in favor of the CFL given the importance of the sport to most markets in Canada (excluding Toronto of course)

          But at the time time, i will say that it does seem like CFL in Canada is pushed on people. Where as with the NFL, people truly enjoy the sport and watch it all year regardless – in both countries as well as many others internationally

      • And your source for this information would perhaps be in your imagination? I loved the Grey Cup. I’m loving watching the haters in panic mode 10.

        • To be clear what is their to panic about??

          You think the CFL is going to become more popular than the NFL? Maybe i’ll grow money in my backyard or maybe have a beer with Santa too.

          • Fascinating to see how threatened you are by the CFL.
            Panic – the haters can’t stand the fact the 2017 GREY CUP CHAMPIONS are the TORONTO ARGONAUTS!!! I’ve never understood how one can call themselves a football fan but hate one league and love the other. I support both leagues equally as they are both entertaining. Your insistence on mocking the CFL shows a real immaturity. Your comments indicate an age of late teens. Why do you feel threatened. If you don’t like something, why wouldn’t you just ignore it? You really need to grow up.

      • You don’t know that, it’s just a guess.
        You can say the same thing about last year or the same thing about the Super Bowl.
        But I seriously doubt there would be close to 50k in bars across Canada, 6:30PM on a Sunday night

        • John G. Simcoe // December 1, 2017 at 1:30 pm //

          There around 1,000 bars in Toronto alone. There are about 20 within five blocks of my residence alone (a Victorian residential area). Always at least 20 people in most of them on a Sunday. I’m sure 50k are in bars across Canada on a Sunday watching NFL or the Grey Cup.

  2. M. Rudolph // November 27, 2017 at 6:58 pm //

    On CTV local affiliates you can watch the NFL and Super Bowl over-the-air on free TV Sunday’s. In Canada you need the second tier (on most cable systems) to watch the Grey Cup game. Just saying – a national championship game should be accessible and available to all.

    • Agreed 100% – our biggest game of the year should be free for all to see. Not doing so is not far off the old days of local blackouts that caused the CFL to lose a generation of fans. With the current trend to ‘cut the cable’ more and more people are relying on ota broadcasts.

      • OttawaHamiCatsFan // November 27, 2017 at 8:45 pm //

        I have said this for years on this site and have been repeatedly slagged for saying the championships and even playoffs should be on regular CTV. Think of the numbers that the game could have had if it was available on CTV which cable cutters can get over the air.

    • No. A football game should be aired on a channel to maximize revenue. Which it already is. There is no constitutional right to watch sports with rabbit ears.

      • “Which it already is” – huh!. A national championship would generate more revenue being available on all platforms including free television. CTV Sunday night primetime programming is probably to valuable to give up for anything less than then an NFL playoff game and Super Bowl – which is also available on cable.

    • If you don’t have TSN then it’s not likely that you would watch the CFL. If you are a CFL fan you pay the few dollars extra to watch TSN.
      It’s the same for SPORTSNET and the Blue Jays, they have excellent ratings and their Wild Card game had 5 million viewers ……………just saying

      TSN/RDS has combined of 30 MILLION, so if only 4 MILLION total watched then what were the other TSN subscribers doing????

      • Jason Gult // November 29, 2017 at 3:57 pm //

        Watching the NFL game is my best guest

        • “Is my best guest”? You were watching with someone or do you not know how to spell guess. Man, with your spelling abilities, I sure wouldn’t want to be sharing the same boardroom (sorry playroom)

  3. Prove Me Wrong // November 27, 2017 at 7:17 pm //

    Ha… Where are all the slider fans who said that the GC ratings would be WAY DOWN because gangrene was not going to be in it.

  4. greenenvy? // November 27, 2017 at 7:28 pm //

    TO in the Cup this year & 2012 – numbers up. Similar to 2015 with Edmonton. HMM no mention of 2013. That can’t be good. Kinda flies in the face of the yokels from Regina. I don’t think you can fit 4.1MM in Moo-saic. Attendance figures pale to TV audiences. How do you spin this? It’s all Rider fans propping up the stats on TV too? Not with a 200K population.

    • Your butt hurts real bad right now, we know. lmfao

      • The truth hurts “tastic”. My butt’s just fine. BTW do you think Duron’s coming back? Only signed for a year. Should be training camp fodder in the NFL. Hmmmm – seems to me nobody wanted him this past year so he signed with the Riders.

    • Does it really matter to teams if 4 million watched or 400k watched???
      The teams do not get one cent more – TSN still pays teams $4 MILLION per team per year.
      However, attendance can be a breaker for the owners – a drop in attendance by 3k per game at an average ticket of $80 PLUS concessions can mean a drop of $4 MILLION in revenue

      So yes ATTENDANCE is the most important stat for CFL teams – they couldn’t care less about TV ratings, they need your butt in the seats

  5. sad horsie // November 27, 2017 at 8:41 pm //

    What can you say. People want to watch Canada’s best most successful football team…. The Calgary Stampeders

  6. DoubleBlue1873 // November 27, 2017 at 8:50 pm //

    Great news for the League. Even without regional breakdowns, it’s likely a large number were watching in the GTA and Southern Ontario. Agree with comments about more over-the-air and online access, but TSN has another four years on the contract. If they put it OTA, they just give subscribers another reason to cut the cord. The League needs to think seriously about getting its product out to the biggest possible audience in the next deal.

    • No, they don’t. The league will stay on TSN because that’s where their owner (Bell) makes their money. The game will never be OTA again and the clueless need to come to grips with that fact.

      • M. Rudolph // December 1, 2017 at 11:17 am //

        Treat yourself to an Marketing 101 course Matt YES it will cover the basics for you. I’ll simplify it more eyeballs (all platforms included) = higher advertising rates charged which is more generated revenue.

    • The numbers were not broken down to regions.
      4.1 MILLION from 3.6 MILLION last year, that is not a big jump in numbers.
      Maybe the jump was due to Shania Twain

  7. I cannot for the life of me figure out why people keep saying “here are the numbers, but we left out the French broadcast”. In Canada.

    • Because very few in Quebec watch the CFL.
      Last Super Bowl, 1 MILLION viewers on RDS alone.
      Last Grey Cup 200k on RDS, despite Ottawa being there and all Ottawa games are on RDS

  8. Because the french are not part of Canada – they are their own people. The better question is when will we separate from them? or EVEN BETTER, when will Toronto separate from Canada.

    • T.O. Football Fan // November 27, 2017 at 11:26 pm //

      I completely agree! The CFL should be owned by the NFL and used as minor league teams. They will still be supported by local canadian cities but may have additional funding and more talent may be willing to play there for a chance to make the NFL.

      As for your french comment… YES! finally someone says it. Let RDS and the province of Quebec join France. lol.

      • I don’t think the NFL has any interest in owning the CFL. Too much commitment for too little return. No need for farm teams north of the boarder…

        But i agree with everything else

        • Just think, the NFL could pick up the tradition of giving away 10’s of thousands of tickets (see Bills in Toronto series)

      • They wouldn’t be supported by local Canadian cities. True CFL fans wouldn’t attend and NFL fans wouldn’t attend because it wouldn’t be the NFL. A terrible business model. Who would this idea appeal to?

      • RDS numbers for the Super Bowl last year were 1 MILLION that is huge for a small network with few subscribers!!!
        They also had big ratings for the Super Bows in Quebec on the US stations
        Quebecers love their US football, they play 4 down football in the province.
        Montreal also wants their Baseball team back and they are also looking at an NBA franchise

  9. How many guys in the CFL are sending their clips from last nights game to NFL agents/teams???? EVERYONE!


    • Can’t wait for your answer regarding high school players in Alabama and Texas. This is gonna be good……….

  10. Why are there NFL trolls on a CFL site? Closet fans? Sunday’s numbers made the No Fun Leaque look funny.

    • I am only on the site because i was searching the numbers for the game. I’m from Toronto and tuned it for 5 minutes just to see if we were winning.

      But at the end of the day, i’m rooting for the CFL to fail and the Argo’s to move so that we have a chance at getting an NFL team.

      Just curious, not a troll.

      • And you’re a dick.

      • Ibleedgreen1111 // November 28, 2017 at 11:08 am //

        Never will happen. The GTO proved how poorly they support teams with the Buffalo Bills experience. Your more then welcome to move to the states. It would be quicker and painless for the rest of us.

        At the end of the day your not a football fan. Your a fan of the hype machine and the notion that since players are in the NFL they are better than the players in the CFL. But in reality it takes a different kind of player to play in both leagues.

        Go luck in your move.

        Go Riders!
        Go CFL!!

        • You said it. It does take a different kind of player for each league, talented for the NFL and whatever is left for the CFL.

          Maybe if your town had more than one minor league team (CFL), you wouldn’t be so proud of it and could recognize quality sports.

      • Thanks for the morning laugh. It’s amazing to me how people can’t see that the “ignore the Argos strategy to get an NFL team” backfired massively. Only the Toronto crowd could believe the NFL would be interested in a city that doesn’t support high school football, doesn’t support university football, doesn’t support CFL football and had a disaster with the Bills in Toronto series (start the excuses now). Yeah Jason, that NFL team is coming real soon. It’s just basic business. Do a bit of homework regarding the issue and you will figure out the NFL will NEVER come to Toronto.

        • Did you read the minutes from the last NFL board meeting idiot?

          Maybe you should…. facts are coming from the people who have the power.

          • There you go. Didn’t take long to hit a nerve with the “football expert”. So the floor is yours Jason, please provide the details that will confirm the NFL is coming to Toronto. Go ahead. Don’t like being challenged on your comments, do you? The floor is yours…………….this should be good.

          • Having trouble finding the minutes Jason? Classic, the BIG BOLD statement quickly turns into the boy running from the Board Room. Who are these people that have the power? When did they announce a team was on it’s way? Don’t worry Jason, nobody will notice you weren’t able to back up your claim. “dream team” seriously, it just doesn’t get better than that.

    • The NFL literally walks all over the CFL ratings-wise all other weeks of the year. The Super Bowl does more than double what the Grey Cup does.

      Given this, you’d think the diehard nutters would be a bit more humble.

      • Victor Minichiello // November 28, 2017 at 7:25 pm //

        USA has a huge population base. So you can’t compare. If Canada had the population of the USA, what would be the viewer nos for the Grey Cup?

        Canadians and Toronto (a city that seldom wins cups) should support this Canadian game. The attendance in Toronto was shameful. Shame on Toronto. And regarding the NFL, it is a league plagued with political chaos. Be proud Canadians, support the CFL.

      • I’m shocked, the most successful league in the world and marketing machine gets bigger numbers than a small Canadian league. Curious, how are MLB, MLS (cough, cough), NBA and NHL numbers against the NFL?
        Now, compare CFL ratings to the leagues above, only the NHL is consistently better. Interesting facts arrive when you do your homework instead of trusting the Fan590 as your source. I’m especially curious about CFL vs MLS and CFL vs NBA numbers. Let me know how that works out……

    • You mean the Super Bowl numbers make the Grey Cup numbers loos terrible.
      ONE MILLION alone on RDS watched the Super Bowl this year but less than 200k watched the GC.

      You are comparing a regular season game with a Championship game? how about comparing a CFL game back in July to Super Bowl ratings? – no it doesn’t make sense

  11. The NFL hype machine can only be compared to professional wrestling (WWE)and we all know how full of it that is, funny though, I do not care for the NFL so I don’t go to NFL sites, so why would NFL fans come here.

    • So why doesn’t the CFL have “hype”? if that’s what it needs to succeed in places like Toronto then bring it on.
      The reality is that in Toronto the CFL will always be seen by locals as minor league.
      The MLSE owners will dump the Argos, average crowds of 14k IS minor league and can’t be sustained.

      • Jason Gult // November 29, 2017 at 3:59 pm //

        I always thought they should try to change the rules around the tailgate to start bringing people out who want to experience the football experience. May help with the younger generation at least.

        But maybe the rules have already changed and i’m just not aware of them

        • ” i’m just not aware of them”. Somehow, I think that’s likely.
          The high school dream team and the boy who can’t find the NFL minutes. Sunday was great with the 2017 GREY CUP CHAMPION TORONTO ARGONAUTS and these comments have made it fun for the past few days. The gift that keeps on giving.

          • at least you admit you are a boy who can’t find the minutes.

            i’ll give you a tip, you can use google.

            if you need another child, just ask, i’ll give you one more site you can visit

  12. Hey Jason Gult wasn’t that a great Monday night game yesterday (not) most boring hour of my life
    There is 32 teams there is only 5 or 6 teams that are worth watching there is not enough good quarter backs to support 32 teams.The other teams are all terrible and way to boring to watch.The AFC got 2 teams the rest suck why bother it was over before it stared.Move to the USA and take your NFL with you

    • Jason Gult // November 28, 2017 at 3:25 pm //

      Sunday night game was much better. But you were probably busy watching a couple ladies slip on snow.

    • We could improve the CFL by getting rid of the Canadian ratio – let the best players compete.
      We need FOUR downs, it was painful to watch the back and forth in the first half of the GC.
      The CFL needs to ditch Toronto, the average attendance would immediately go up, TV ratings would go up.
      The people in Toronto see the Argos in the same league as the AHL or AAA baseball.

      • Jason Gult // November 29, 2017 at 4:00 pm //

        I agree with everything you said.

        and at the end of the day, the true toronto argo’s fan can go to Hamilton. It’s really not that far away!

  13. Season tickets holder for 30 years in Winnipeg then Saskatchewan and now Edmonton. It’s about supporting your home team with buddies who you might only see every 2nd weekend at the game, sitting in the sun in the summer and bundled up in the fall, that’s Canadian. Guys who watch the NFL crack me up, usually by themselves, or with a pal who likes a different team and once it’s over, nothing changes in their life as the community is ambivalent to Denver or who ever won. Stayed in same hotel as the Argo and riode the elevators with many of the players, drank with them in the lobby after the win. NFL? You won’t get close to them cuz, we’ll start with your in Canada. It’s called an inferiority complex, life’s too short to worry about what you don’t have, take the kids or 4 pals to a game next year then you’ll get it! By the way, NFL averages about 300k viewers per week and the cfl over 600k, mike drop!

    • Jason Gult // November 28, 2017 at 3:22 pm //

      hahahhaha. what a joke. you think the CFL has better viewership than the NFL? hahahahaha. Next you’ll say the Grey Cup is more entertaining than the CFL.

      A high school team from Alabama or Texas could wipe the floor with your CFL. Hopefully the players made it to their second jobs on Monday and didn’t party too late on sunday in a boring ass town.

      • Jason – I find your comment fascinating. “A high school team from Alabama or Texas could wipe the floor with your CFL”. I’m sure you consider your self knowledgeable about football. The CFL is filled with Division 1 NCAA players. So being the smart guy, perhaps you could explain to the rest of us, how exactly are high school players from Alabama or Texas going to “wipe the floor” with the CFL.
        Are you suggesting that high school players are better than Division 1 NCAA players? Really? Your suggesting players at 15 or 16 years old could compete with grown men? Everyone is entitled to their opinion regarding what sports they enjoy, but seriously, don’t you see how silly your comment is and frankly embarrassing?

        • CFL teams are mandidated to have a set amount of Canadians on the team. Many of which are TERRIBLE. and yes, there are some solid D1 players on each team, but the vast majority are out of their prime, and are not D1 players. Could piece together solid seniors (dream team of southern high schools) who could do it.

          • Many CFL fans just won’t accept it.
            The Canadian ratio restricts the talent on CFL teams, with the decline in the number of schools playing football in Canada, the talent pool is small.

            CFL fans forget that every year the MOP is an American, the ALL STAR teams are made up of ALL Americans. With few exceptions our most exciting players are from the US.
            The ratio was supposed to produce better football players – only ONE CIS player has ever won the MOP/MVP and that was 50 years ago!!!

          • Your ignorance is astounding, regarding talent shows you don’t pay much attention – about 30-45 players on each roster have been on NFL rosters or signed to camps.
            BTW, RB Jon Cornish (Kansas) MOP – 2013, a Canadian from Burnaby. & Tony Gabriel won it 39 years ago.
            25-30 Canadians in NFL or on Practice roster each season now, 5-7 from Can University programs

          • First off, what exactly is MANDIDATED? So, I see you’ve decided to change your comment now that you have been challenged on your nonsense. So you believe 15,16,17 year olds could beat grown men? Do you have any clue how the football world works? Do you have any clue how few high school players in the US will ever play in college. Do you have any clue how few DIVISION 1 players in the US will ever play in the CFL or NFL. It is remarkable how little you understand in regards to how the process works. A “dream team” of high school students??? I don’t think I’ve ever read a more ridiculous comment in my life.

          • Next time you’re in the boardroom, could someone teach you to spell? The gift that keeps on giving. Can’t wait for those NFL minutes. After all Jason, You called me an idiot. I’m sure you have the information handy to back up your claim.

  14. Well put, Art. Myself, I would rather support something that is cultural, local, exciting and in my own back yard. I have no interest in looking over the fence to see what my neighbors are doing.

    • What is “cultural” about the CFL? if you think that CFL football players are cultural, then you should check where they come from.
      Almost every great player is from the US, without the Americans we do not have a league.
      The Argos have more American born players on their roster than the the Blue Jays, Raptors and TFC combined.
      So much for a local, cultural league (whatever that means)

  15. Jason Gult // November 28, 2017 at 3:24 pm //

    I dont know what’s worse, the CFL itslef, or the lame comments in this chat.

    I’m out. Time to get caught up with what’s happening this week in a real sport.

    • Your not gonna provide an answer regarding high school players in Alabama and Texas? So big bold statements, and then run?

  16. Gult take a hike don’t need you troll on here
    Just because they have a bunch of whinning over paid cry babies doesn’t make it better.

  17. Jason Gult // November 28, 2017 at 4:18 pm //

    Well there bank accounts, fans, and majority of the world says they are. Only a few of you believe differently.

    So maybe you should take the hike

  18. Gult, you say you can’t be bothered with the game and rant about nonsense. You even say “you’re out” but yet you keep coming back. I’m willing to bet you have this site bookmarked or subscribed.

    Wait for it…

    • Jason Gult // November 28, 2017 at 5:08 pm //

      it’s too fun. You guys actually think the CFL provides quality football and it’s hilarious.

      I showed people at my office this chat and now they are all online following and laughing. We just showed other in the boardroom and they were dying.

      but seems like it’s winding down now as they day is almost over

  19. Jason Gult // November 28, 2017 at 5:14 pm //

    Anyways guys – it’s been fun.

    good luck to the CFL, i do appreciate football and these guys are great athletes regardless of the league. i dont watch it, but to each their own.

  20. Guilt you are an idiot go to you own crappy Nfl site

  21. Hey Gult you fool
    Did you read Keith Olberman one of the biggest NFL reporters,said I hope you watched the grey cup instead of that missionary position snoozzzzzer
    sunday night’ which you thought was so great.You don’t know football from you AS- go show your office people that and have your immature little school girl laugh Jerk

    • Do you really think the CFL and TSN does not have networks working to promote the league? This is either planned media, and i say that because i work for a network, and we do have panelists which we pay to comment on the CFL (as well as other many other sports), or its a person who actually enjoyed the game.

      I actually got a few emails from the office on this msg based on exactly what I said above. People believe the media too much.

      Keep the comments coming people, we are having a hoagie lunch tomorrow to review it all

  22. Jason Gult takes the gold for moronic posts of the year. Well done goof.

  23. Well I work for a network so I know the ratings in Canada and more Canadians tune into cfl games then NFL so kind of know the numbers. CFL also kills blue jay games as they bring in viewership of 80 to 120k in Canada.

    Gotta be something to it with so many people interested and I appreciate the good banter. Like I said NFL guys, go to a game, get out and enjoy a cold one with world class athletes right there.

    • you didnt see that 51% of Canadians tuned in for the superbowl last year at “one point or another” (i think that is nonsense by the way, for both NFL and CFL stats).?

      make sure your “network” took into account the numbers they could not track based on the new rules.

      If you can show that. i will publish my netowrk and email address right on here for everyone to know. Because absolutely 100%, you are wrong.

      • Gult, how many times do you need to be told to go away?

        • I’m like the Donald Trump of this blog. You guys want to hate on me, but you keep tuning in.

          If it wasn’t for me, this would have died on Nov 27 with the CFL. But thanks to me and the NFL, everyone is still engaged.

          Your welcome!

          • Wow!!! You make Donkey look smart.
            Thanks for the ignorance. I doubt you are in an office of any kind unless it’s a cardboard box in your back yard.
            Maybe use your parents benefits to go seek help for trolling and the need to degrade people. Thanks for coming, now like i’m sure you’ve heard so many times before….go away.

    • But that’s not true – go to NUMERIS and check the numbers. The NFL ratings have climbed up over the past 5 years and the CFL has been on a steady decline.
      Grey Cup numbers at 4.1 Million which would be HALF the Super Bowl numbers – Plus RDS had ONE MILLION Super Bowl viewers but 200k Grey Cup viewers

  24. Basically sports is entertainment and boy was I entertained watching Sunday’s Grey Cup game. My head is still spinning as to what happened in the last two minutes of that contest. Wow!!!

  25. ZZzzzz_CFL I'M UP // November 29, 2017 at 12:10 am //

    i agree completely.

    I wanted Calgary so bad though. I’m a west coast guy who just doesn’t like toronto for anything.

    • After their Grey Cup win, if Toronto does not sell more season tickets in the off season there is a strong possibility the MLSE owners will walk away.
      They can’t put up with more losses

  26. Rick i already said your welcome… no need to keep talking

  27. Gult you keep contradicting youself you say don’t believe the media and then you bring media stats up
    We all know you don’t work for a network so it’s time for you to get out of your mommies basement go for a walk and clear your head from all this crap your spreading

  28. Jason Gult // November 29, 2017 at 2:52 pm //

    uh huh… i’m donald trump baby. You are fake news. Keep my rating high you fool. HAHAHAHHAHAHA

    you guys are reading everything i write and i love it.

    Ps. writing this in the boardroom and people are loooooooving. Thanks a lot guys. Time is flying by with you guys.

  29. Like I said Gult now shake your head wake up and get out of the basement for a walk

    • There is something wrong with GULT.
      You know what he is when it compares himself to Trump.
      Bully = Gult
      Your move Gult.

  30. Jason Gult // November 29, 2017 at 3:55 pm //

    Keep it coming….


    • #winning: but still don’t have those minutes handy from the NFL meetings.
      This is the problem when you make comments that you can’t back up. You seemed to be enjoying yourself with the comments. However, they will all look silly when you have no response. Notice when I mentioned the NFL in Toronto, you quickly led with the insult. Always an indication of someone that can’t back up their statement. Simple stuff.

      • Jason Gult // November 29, 2017 at 9:25 pm //

        you want me to give you the minutes? Never said i would, i referenced them. You are hopefully a big boy who can do your own research. Its not hard to find.

        And your NFL in Toronto comment, re post it if you want a response, i can’t keep track of everything single comment in here.

        • Oh Jason, the guy who called himself the “Donald Trump” of these posts quickly runs away when being challenged. So confident with his comments but when asks to provide proof, nothing there. Normally, when someone is confident in their comments, they will happily provide facts to back up their case. You, not so much. I wonder why? But, I’ll play along. I can’t find the minutes you mention. Could you assist by pointing me in the right direction. Hmmm, getting warm in the kitchen?
          I follow both the NFL & CFL closely Jason. Not just on the field, but the business side as well. You & I both know, the minutes you refer to don’t exist. You made it up. There is no talk, absolutely none of the NFL coming to Toronto. Interesting, you insulted me because I hadn’t read the “minutes”. Guess maybe the reverse is more accurate. This was so predictable, so very predictable. So, lets try again, show me the statements to back up your claim. Maybe there in the boardroom? The “high school dream team”, that has to be one of the funniest things I’ve ever read. Guess you didn’t expect anyone to challenge your nonsense, did you Jason?

          • I feel privileged that you come on this site so early in the morning to see what i have written.

            The minutes do not specifically state a team is coming to Toronto, the merely reflect that expansion is still being discussed and Toronto is still being considered. Nothing more, nothing less.

            As i mentioned before, READ THE MINUTES, and you will not feel the need to write paragraphs trying to disprove a fact.

            But again, thank you for contributing and making me a vital part of your day, a bit sad, but i still appreciate it.

        • Oh Jason, I see you don’t like the replies anymore. I guess you don’t like someone pointing out the holes in your grand statements.
          So I see the story is now changing with the expansion plans to Toronto. Toronto is being considered, is it? Strange, you have this information that would back up your claim, but don’t want to provide a link. You are now quoting the “minutes”, but refuse to provide me and everyone else reading this with the necessary information. Numerous times I’ve suggested you could prove me wrong, by just providing the source. But no, you can’t do that.
          Guess your cute comments aren’t so funny anymore. Interesting avoidance technique you work with. You mention early in the morning, vital part of my day – but suprise, you get away from the issue at hand. If you understood the business side of the game, you would know that London would see an expansion franchise long before Toronto. Who knows, perhaps the secret file you carry called, “NFL MINUTES” would have that information.
          Basic business knowledge (which you must have in the boardroom) should reveal to you a long list of reasons of why the NFL would NEVER come to Toronto. However, you feel your loyalty to Madden, Fantasy football makes you an expert. The “high school” dream team. I don’t think I’ve ever read a comment that has made me laugh so much.

  31. “Where as with the NFL, people truly enjoy the sport and watch it all year regardless”. When exactly did the NFL become a 12 month sport?
    So, somehow you know the CFL numbers don’t add up, perhaps you can expand on that. CFL don’t add up, NFL numbers just fine. What insight do you have to back up your comment other than your bias. What does, “the CFL is pushed on people even mean?

    • Look at you picking a fight with someone new now…. give it a rest gmen.

      • Thanks for confirming how easily I got under your skin Jason. You are the typical “football expert” who claims to know all the answers, until challenged. How anyone could honestly believe that high school kids could defeat men in a sport like football, is nothing short of bizarre (but also hilarious). How little you obviously understand the game, both on and off the field.
        One last question, who is Mandi dating again? The gift that keeps on giving.

        • Jason Gult // November 30, 2017 at 3:39 pm //

          you arent getting under my skin, i was just pointing out that i think you are so angry with me, that you are attacking whoever posting that other comment.

          you have angry issues…. admit you lost the battle and move on.

          • I’ve lost the battle? You mentioned the NFL minutes which would back up your claim, but can’t provide them. Don’t think there are many people that would claim you’ve won Jason, actually no one at all. Not sure what “boardroom” you work with and what level of education you’ve received, but basic psychology studies would be helpful for you.
            For example, “you aren’t getting under my skin”, is a simple way to say, you’re getting under my skin. “you have angry issues (by the way, I think you meant ANGER issues) is another way of saying, I’m angry with you. I’m not sure if your horrendous spelling is related to you getting frustrated with my pointing out the massive holes in your statements, or perhaps you just have problems with spelling (still trying to figure that one out). Whatever the case, the “high school dream team” brings me a lot of laughs.

  32. Jason Gult // November 30, 2017 at 3:43 pm //

    By the way gmen – you have essentially killed this conversation. Everyone was having a good time until you started taking it personally.

    i hope you are happy. You have chased everyone away!

  33. “Everyone was having a good time until you started taking it personally”.
    Perhaps you would like to reread all the comments Jason. Do you think everyone was having a good time with your comments. Psychology and comprehension might be a good starting point for you. By the way, your deflection technique was in full gear again, but I don’t think you noticed.

  34. Jason Gult // November 30, 2017 at 4:07 pm //

    There you go again with your issues…. it’s a damn shame. a damn shame you can’t control it.

    Now beat it, you lost!

    • The guy who can’t provide the information to back up his claim from the NFL minutes, states he won. Classic. It’s amazing how things come full circle.
      The guy who came up with the “dream team” idea also claims he won, but refuses to provide basic information. As much as you try to hide it Jason, eventually you can’t hide the whole story. It all comes together. Just curious, do I have “angry issues” or “anger issues”. Before responding, please brush up on basic human psychology. It’s almost like I know where you’re going before you do. “There you go again with your issues” – Jason, you know what that means. Notice with your last few comments, you stayed away from the “minutes” issue. Deflect Jason deflect. Have you noticed you accuse me of anger issues, but then tell me to “Beat it”. I’m sure you didn’t notice.

      • Jason Gult // November 30, 2017 at 5:04 pm //

        oh man you are looking really pathetic!! just give up man.

        you lost this battle, move on to the next and try to win that one.

        • Rinse and repeat Jason, rinse and repeat. In other words, you’ve run out of any thoughts (well, actually 20 comments ago).
          Care to explain how I’ve lost this battle. You weren’t able to provide any information to prove me wrong. I was begging you to prove me wrong, but alas, no. Man, this has been easy. Man, this has been fun (especially the dream team comment – priceless, just priceless). Have you noticed, I tried to stay on issue talking about your “minutes”, but because you didn’t have a response, you quickly went down the path of deflection/you lost/pathetic. As I said, I know where you’re going next. Usually with a spelling error.

  35. Jason Gult // November 30, 2017 at 5:18 pm //

    Lol. I write a few lines, you write paragraphs…. you must have a lot of free time.

    At least you made my ratings high on this site. For that, i thank you good sir.

    • It doesn’t come as a suprise you write a few lines, don’t think your thought process is capable of more (with of course a sprinkling of spelling errors).
      This has been enjoyable, the “football expert” that made the grand statements of high school football players and the famous “minutes”, did absolutely nothing to back up his comments. So when exactly is that NFL franchise arriving Jason? One last fun question, who is Mandi dating and is she angry? A more serious question – did you honestly believe mandated was spelled that way? Seriously, with all those extra letters? That would be good for a few laughs in the boardroom.

      • Jason Gult // November 30, 2017 at 5:51 pm //

        if you have anymore questions or concerns you would like to discuss with me, please feel free to reach out at (i tried to submit better ones, but they were rejected by the site)

        Weird thing is that Football only has 100 yards, how come the CFL has more??? oh right, it’s not football.

        anyways, i’ll leave that to you to mull over and write a few paragraphs on

        Jason Gult AKA Winner – OUT. PEACE.

        • You’re just a dumb kid, aren’t you?

        • AKA Winner? You brought up the famous minutes and I believe called me a word beginning with an i. 20 comments later and the best you could come up with is, a weak attempt at saying something maybe about expansion but not specifically Toronto. Wow, earth shattering revelation. Strange you wouldn’t want to provide a link, strange indeed. You brought up the “dream team” which honestly I appreciate as I’ve mentioned your comment with anyone I’ve discussed the Grey Cup with (each time getting good laughs and a shake of the head. Frankly, no one could believe a “football expert” could believe such a thing). Hopefully, you’ve learned a lot about yourself during this exercise. I hope the things I pointed out will help you in the future. What I can’t help you with is the spelling. You’re on your own with that one.
          I have noticed the happy personality you seemed to have days ago has quickly disappeared. Being corrected does that to people. Sorry.

      • I think I would rather talk to Donkey instead of this tool Gult.
        I would like to see him take up this discussion.

        • As with most “football experts”. Jason prides himself on the big statement, but quickly runs when challenged. I guess strictly playing Madden doesn’t help in the real world. Read the string of comments and see how he avoids answering any questions. Deflection is his strategy when knowing he has no answer.

  36. Guilt lost… Know nothing punk.

    • If you need a good laugh, read Gults comments regarding high school players in Texas and Alabama. That tells the whole story in one comment alone.
      High school players wiping the floor versus CFL players? Wow, quite the “football expert”!!!

      • Jason Gult // December 3, 2017 at 1:50 pm //

        hope you haters are doing well… just wanted to remind you there’s some real football on today in case you are interested.

        Have a great sunday!

        • Like a moth to a light. Like a moth to a light. Still laughing about your high school comment. The moment you mentioned that over the top nonsense, all credibility was lost. Just for fun, please try defending that classic again. Any luck finding the secret NFL minutes? Please share them with us. You don’t need to tell me the NFL is on, of course I’m interested. I’m not afraid to admit I watch both. I enjoy watching football on both sides of the border as I actually like the sport (and not being told what to enjoy). You do realize that most people that have actually played the game, enjoy both. Those that have a background strictly with Madden, tend to enjoy the NFL. Wow, I wonder which you are? What’s happening in the boardroom, you impressive executive! 2017 GREY CUP CHAMPIONS – TORONTO ARGONAUTS!!! What a great week. Still angry Jason? Or should I say “still anger” Jason?

    I am sick of your BS
    A week ago you said you were leaving
    Well don’t let the door hit you in the A-S

    • Maybe he’s back to explain his high school comment?
      Maybe he’s back to share secrets from the NFL minutes?
      You never know with these “football experts”. They learn so much from Madden.

  38. Jason Gult // December 3, 2017 at 10:11 pm //

    I was coming back with a friendly reminder. Instead of talking about me, maybe you guys should talk amongst yourselves??? I’m flattered, don’t get me wrong.

    Anyways, hope you guys had a great weekend. Thanks for the support!

  39. The famous NFL Meeting minutes – not able to provide details or possibly a link to show the world. FAIL!!! (what was it you called me again, okay then)
    The famous High School comment – not able to defend your stance. FAIL!!!
    The ability to make me laugh. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!! I don’t think I’ve ever seen a “football expert|” not even attempt to make a case for his comments. Your lack of knowledge of the sport both off and on the field is laughable. At least the average “football expert” offers a weak attempt. You, not at all. Come on, tell me about that high school team again before this is taken off 3 Down Nation. 2017 GREY CUP CHAMPIONS – TORONTO ARGONAUTS!!! Thanks for making this years GREY CUP extra special. Got your Toronto Bills tickets yet Jason? Classic. Make sure you have extra batteries for the controller.

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